I can't begin to tell you how sick I am of this nonsense. The Lightning used to be a rather fine plane, before you castrated it that is. If its real life flight model had been anything like the way it's "modelled" in FH1.62, the Allies would have withdrawn any and all P-38's from service within days and demanded their money back from Lockheed! This plane is a friggin joke! If you're now thinking "Wait a second, isn't this the guy who said the P-38 was still a nice plane even after its FM got revised?" after reading the first paragrah of this post, yes that would be me. Why the flip flop you ask? Because I hadn't actually flown online at the time. I formed my initial opinion of the Lightning based on my performance flying the P-38 against the AI offline, but I guess it was unwise of me to assume that just because it could do well against the AI it would fare equally well against human opponents. I guess the AI never flies its planes to their full potential. Anyway, now that I HAVE flown the P-38F against mostly 109's and 190's, I just cannot believe how you guys can have the nerve to claim that your modelling of the P-38 is anywhere close to the truth! It handles like a total POS. Period. Pretty much anything can out turn it, regardless of altitute, air speed and overall energy state. It's nose pointing authority at slow speeds is utter BS. Is this the plane that had a reputation of being an awesome low speed turner?? Hah! Here on Freehost, a friggin Fw-190 will break no sweat if faced with the task of turning low and slow against a P-38 because he __knows__ that if only he is patient enough he WILL end up in the Lightning's 6. It's simply beyond my scope of understanding how you could have come to the conclusion that this is how a P-38 should handle. There is zip hard data anywhere that suggests that the P-38 should have any trouble out turning a 190 at low speeds. Pulling hard on the stick at 320 mph will result in you flying a rather lax (as far as all-or-nothing dogfights are concerned) 5G turn for a few seconds (you can't pull into a blackout, not even if you use elevator trim), and as your airspeed begins to drop below 300 mph you have to losen up on the stick or you run the risk of departing controlled flight. You can't deploy flaps either because they'll only pop out at speeds below 230 mph or so IIRC. And once you're below 250 mph you're really starting to feel what a miserable piece of scrap metal the Lightning has become. The stall horn keeps bitching at you, forcing you to concede yet more of your precious turn rate. And before you know you're trying to just keep the plane aloft rather than trying to win the fight. In the meantime that gold sucker is gaining angles on you and can even afford to losen his turn and go into a less tight climbing turn, while you have a hard time just to control the plane even with your nose below the horizon! Mind you, the P-38F is supposed to be the best turning variant of all the Lightnings in the game, so the J and L models will only be worse where dogfighting is concerned. I'm sorry to say it, but this is so ridiculous it bars description. And please, if any of you would like to tell me that I'm just not flying the plane right, feel free to keep your advice to yourself. Trust me, I used to be pretty good with the P-38, not brilliant but at least half decent. After all it was one of only two planes I normally fly. But with the new FH releases, I suck. I mean I suck so bad I'm giving the verb "to suck" a whole new dimension. What we have here is a plane that doesn't climb, doesn't turn, doesn't roll, doesn't accelerate .... just about the only thing it can still do with some success is flying straight and level. As it stands, the P-38 is, for all practical purposes, an unflyable plane. Well done FH developers!