Fair Chances when Outnumbered?

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by HoHun, Jul 13, 2003.

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Do you want the outnumbered side to have fair chances?

Poll closed Jul 27, 2003.
  1. Yes, the outnumbered side should get fair chances of winning.

    24 vote(s)
    53.3%
  2. No, the side with greater numbers should win most of the time.

    21 vote(s)
    46.7%
  1. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi everyone,

    this is an important poll to find out what you really expect from this game.

    - Do you want rules that give the players on the outnumbered side a fair chance?

    - Or do you want rules that gives the better chances to the side that has more players online at any time?

    Note that I don't mean any specific set of rules - there are many possible ways of achieving fairness in the game, and nothing is decided yet :)

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  2. manoce

    manoce Well-Known Member

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    the options of this poll are strongly suggesting :nono:
     
  3. Glas

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    Whether you feel it is a simulation or a game, imo there should always be an 'equal' opportunity for both sides.

    Placing handicaps on the side with numerical superiority will mean the pilots with no affiliation, or affiliation for both sides, would be more inclined to join the weakest numbered side, therefore balancing the numbers out over the course.

    -glas-
     
  4. HoHun

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    Hi Manoce,

    >the options of this poll are strongly suggesting :nono:

    I don't see how I could change them without changing the central question, too :)

    Any suggestions?

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  5. manoce

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    Do you want outnumbered side to be given more chances by the rules?
    Yes, the chances of the outnumbered side should be increased.
    No, it shouldn't be impingned in this problem.
     
  6. Mach-1

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    Outnumber or not.. this is not Real....

    I Real war no exist ...War is war, it does not wait that the sides are balanced, if it it was would not exist war, because the side weakkest would not go to fight.... war is not joust, they somebody has that to lose... somebody it goes to die... and somebody goes to survive. They put this in the head... Cry-mans.

    Its very difficult to play in this is situation... yes but is not impossнble win.... use better tatic, destroy the facilits of enemy ( fuels is one good exemple )

    But stop crys guys... the real war no is just...

    [ ]ґs
     
  7. HoHun

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    Hi Manoce,

    >>I don't see how I could change them without changing the central question, too :)

    >Do you want outnumbered side to be given more chances by the rules?

    I picked the word "fair" for a good reason - it means that neither side is going to get an overwhelming advantage from the numerical relationship between both sides.

    Your choice of words leaves open the option of overcompensating - putting the numerically superior side at an overwhelming disadvantage.

    With that option, your suggestion is a change in the question, not just a rephrased version.

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  8. HoHun

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    Hi Mach-1,

    >War is war, it does not wait that the sides are balanced

    Last time I checked, Warbirds was still a game :)

    >Its very difficult to play in this is situation... yes but is not impossнble win.... use better tatic, destroy the facilits of enemy ( fuels is one good exemple )

    How often did the numerically inferior side achieve a reset? I'd be surprised if you could find even one example on the score pages.

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    Henning (HoHun)
     
  9. Kutya

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    Fuck you Ho-hun, you're sometimes bigger provocateur than me. :cool:
     
  10. Mach-1

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    The WB isnґt game is a simulator...

    Want game go to CFS series

    War is war...just it
     
  11. manoce

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    that is the question.. it is fair? you are solving this question for the answerer... therefore i said it is suggesting -- np it is suggesting, your choice, your questions.... but you have to then take in count the fact that answerers will may be answering rather whether they think fairness is ok or not then if they think the problem should be solved by rules which would help to equal numbers
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    you ask.. Yes, the outnumbered side should get fair chances of winning.

    my answer: yes, it should

    you ask.. No, the side with greater numbers should win most of the time.

    my answer: no, it shouldn't

    but I'm against the idea to solve this problems with some rules ....
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    such questions are captious
     
  12. HoHun

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    Hi Manoce,

    >you ask.. Yes, the outnumbered side should get fair chances of winning.

    >my answer: yes, it should [...] but I'm against the idea to solve this problems with some rules ....

    It's a game - you'll either solve it with "some rules", or you won't solve it at all.

    It's not the question that's captious, it's your attitude that's contradictory. Make up your mind - do you want a fair game, or don't you?

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  13. spaceb

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    I think it would be nice to reorganize the squad's ToD schedule. Many pilots are on vacations and many others are active again.

    PS: if you want more "fairines" give golds more load in the fighters. Like 190F8. :turret:
     
  14. manoce

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    omg, i did it again! why I haven't listen to you, glas!

    :kruto:
     
  15. spuint

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    i think this thread makes no bigger sense....

    of course there should be balance on MA but in some reasonable way;
    and what is that 'reasonable way'?
    not sure... :)

    we should have started a thread about: 'what should be done to make fair chances when roster is unbalanced?' not: if sth should be done;
    mb there we could together make of sth to help balance on MA;
     
  16. Glas

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    I have seen a system in some online games whereby players are forced to join the side with the numerical disadvantage.

    Would it be possible to implement something like this for players who are not affiliated with a squad? Obviously those with squads should be allowed to join the side their squad is flying under, but as I said anyone not affiliated would automatically join the side with the disadvantage.

    What do you think?

    -glas-
     
  17. thrapt

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    leave it the way it is!

    sometimes you are outnumbered, sometimes not

    learn to not fly alone

    don't change the game, change yourself



    (too much philosofic reading around here)
     
  18. HoHun

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    Hi Spaceb,

    >I think it would be nice to reorganize the squad's ToD schedule.

    This has been tried, and it didn't work.

    (It can't work, actually, because the squadron schedule doesn't automatically adapt to the current arena situation.)

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  19. HoHun

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    Hi Manoce,

    >omg, i did it again! why I haven't listen to you, glas!

    I'm glad you're well and alive, but if you don't have anything to say on topic, I'd appreciate it if you could omit the nonsense posts.

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  20. HoHun

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    Hi Spuint,

    >we should have started a thread about: 'what should be done to make fair chances when roster is unbalanced?' not: if sth should be done;
    mb there we could together make of sth to help balance on MA;

    That's a great constructive attitude, and I couldn't agree more :)

    However, first things first - should the game be fair, or not?

    From the preliminary results, you can see that some people actually like unfair games (or pretend to do so).

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)