Getting United approach to fh

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by boa, Oct 23, 2010.

  1. boa

    boa Well-Known Member

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    Pls all ball-less to stop reading this thread now :)

    So, here we go ...
    Since september 2006 and my arrival here , I have noticed that this forum is everything else but 1 thing certainly is not - friendly to new, even old , users.
    Now I dont know and Im not competent to say if there was ever a solid communication between International forum and General one . What I do know, communication between those 2 parts of forum is very bad at this moment.
    I would even dare to say that international forum is much funnier place to be , exactly like arena is funnier than forum, since some people dont visit it.
    Everytime when gap between those 2 became larger, people would start leaving fh -both forum and arena. Im affraid that such thing can happen again very soon. I have decided to stop playing calm guy with much understanding for guys above me, simply because I dont have right to do it.
    If you would be honest enough to yourselves, you would notice how many threads would die in here without me , how many new players would not find their way in arena ( those who dont visit forum) without me.
    I have never helped anyone for some kind of reward, for me the best reward is having more and more and more players to play with to have fun with . To have enough people to have really fun time with. Thats all I care on forum and in game. Thats why I am trying so hard . The reason why I am saying all of this , someone or more someones is digging my foundations.
    You and no one in here has the right to dig and destroy what Im building.
    No one. No one has that right. Its enough. I could hold on who knows for how long, but I dont have that right since many of players, or forum users are unhappy . I want this place to be friendly for ALL, not only for special ones, for everyone to have their time and space to say what they think freely.
    So, this is that part when I say I wont tell people anymore to be calm. I wont
    be the one to listen people just so they could live another day without telling admins what bullshit this forum and game is . To be separated on international forum, not to have good communication with admins , to be disrespected by forum authorities is bad enough. We had enough of that .
    Who has the balls here to read old threads to see HOW MANY people left after arguing with admins? How many people this game would have now with all those who left in anger? Does forum owner know who here is working to have people in here and who IS CHASING them away? Does owner of fh know how many ppl are left behind because of some dickhead?
    So , now my vision. I have a vision of fh as great place for fun , with people being helpful , with people doing their jobs. With admins talking english, communicating with the most regular players, with admins banning dickheads, even themselves if they have to , with people being nice to everyone. I will have that in here , both on forum and in arena, Im determined to achieve my goal. First step in that path will be as I said to stop calming other people. Next step will be continuing of helping others, spamming international forum just to stay alive.Next step will be support.
    I am asking everyone on forum and in arena to stop arguing among themselves, and to join me in struggle against our common enemy. We can organize in such way that no one can ever again be a dickhead to us. We can build our own community within fh forum and fh arena, without admins, we can make this to be our house. If we make it together, this will be our Home.
    If we fail, We can Leave fh Together. Do I think they care for us? I think they certainly dont care for us. They care only for themselves. For 4 years , I have never met an Admin who cares what players think, instead, they all think only how to make this game to be again playable for THEM.
    Do I think I will cause some dmg to our beloved server? No , I think I have met enough of angry people who will not blame me. This is where we draw a line , between us and them , between international forum and general forum.
    In our house everyone is invited and welcome. But if I see only one more malicious post from any of admins, I swear Ill make such flame war in here that all will remember . Am I affraid? No, because I know what power I posses. I have power of love of so many people. I can challenge any of admins now this moment to go with me to arena , to see who is behind me and who is behind current fh politics. To see how many players like bullshit game settings where only (surprise, surprise) russian planes are good enough , even if they were worse in real life now are fantastic on fh . To see how many forum users love me and how many of them like any of admins.
    Mb then they will understand that international forum is the only place where good ppl are , where truth is , where everyone is welcome.
    And if this was democratic republic , or even socialist one, someone would have been responsible for all those flight models destroyed, for all those players who left, for all those persons agnry , for all those malicious comments coming from admins, for all those years of friggin bullshit.
    I can name at least 3 friends , in every second, who left this place because of stupidity and arrogant attitude coming from above. I lost a lot with those people leaving fh , and I dont want to watch it anymore.
    So guys, dont fight among themselves anymore, lets make this forum and this arena to be our home. Our and nobody's else.
    (and as I was writting this mumbles made another thread, not my fault admins)
     
  2. -ALW-

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    Wow, all I can say is you're spilling your guts and putting too much effort into this sim. :D
     
  3. Mcloud

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    Loooool..common enemy is admins? LMAO..

    Admins own this place...It's not our home..:UU: :super:
     
  4. boa

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    It is our home ..You know how forum works Mc.
    If I make forum, it is in my interest to have people in here. Dont you understand that ? So , admin is not always the owner of forum. Sometimes you have admins (moderators) who dont work their job.
    Enemies? Yes they are if they do everything in order to reject people.
    Yes they are if they play on muscles (power).
    Let me give you few examples :

    1) Mumble in nervous break down - He was doing just fine , I ( note who ) I even got him helping us. I can pinpoint thread for you , even post, which made him mad again.

    2) Do you know that vista/7 patch that helped some people to play again?
    Do you know it was finished long time before it appeared here?
    Do you know why Myg was able to spread that patch?
    Because I ( note who) made a thread called " vista solution?" or something like that , just to draw attention of admins to even let the guy on forum .

    3) Do you know there is a guy who succeded in running wb on win 7- 64?
    He used Badmad's instructions written in German. So mb , you , Mcloud would have been able to play with us earlier, if you had that instruction translated into english earlier. And you will have soon, by courtesy of Antred and again Me who had to ask him to translate that for Us.

    4)Do you know how many guys left fh because of admins?

    5)Do you know for how long we had to read roland, because someone couldnt ban him earlier?

    6)Can you find where is located thread with useful links about wb ? (it is 3 weeks old max)

    7) Can you understand what it is like to have to test planes yourself , to find real historical data , just because some idiot screwed planes up and then left? Can you imagine what it is like when You organise people to do all those tests just to have an admin saying lazy like " yes but I still dont see any mistake"?

    I do a lot for us , I have done a lot for us, MANY other guys have. So, when you realize what Im talking about , you can laugh. Until then , pls dont ....
    I was triggered by seeing and receiving a lot of insults last night from Mumbles. Insults which were pointed in admins direction.
    Have spent much of my playing time in order to calm down certain players. To make Our forum and arena more harmonius. Why the fuck I did that? Because I believe in harmony. And I am not sorry for that ,and im not sorry for writing about them as enemies, because whoever can make all those people angry like that , for no reason, is enemy.
     
  5. mumble

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    Um... I did this because I thought I had a group of people around me to help develop proper changes until someone started flaming me at every post I made, demian/boa. Now I'm back to not really giving a fuck. So if you're really into playing forum god, sure, say what you will. Just realize you are having more and more of a negative impact on change than I am or ever have been.

    Harmony my ass you mother fucker. :ass:
     
  6. Mcloud

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    Loooooooooooooool :rtfm: :rolleyes:

    okay boa i agree, there are many people here that have left. this game used to be fantastic....many players every day..now its crap to be honest.

    i still can not get this game to work on my pc with win 7 - 64.
    this patch that somebody made is for windows xp, i dont know if i should use it..
    also i dont know about 3d vs 2d settings, or exact addreess to instal wb to..x86 or default c: ien/warbirds like many years ago..i am not a computer professional, i would like to play but i cant..
    I am very confused about how to install this game and all of the different settings, patches, configurations to use. I cant stand this shit. look at the original http://www.wbfree.net/ site. Its obsolete. A new guy who comes here 90% chance they can't even install this game and get it to work.

    PS tell biles I miss his stories.
     
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  8. Zembla JG13

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    So you basically want a sub-community that revolves around likeminded benevolent international forum users?

    In that case your intentions are commendable. It is irrefutable that you're one of the more helpful people who are still involved with the game. Whenever I see someone asking a question on these forums, you're one of the first to answer.

    However, you're taking a liking to democracy, and, true enough, more and more say has been given to the users of FH itself. In the end though, the server is still somewhere, and the person in whose basement that server resides will probably still retain the final say.

    Now, about the exact contents: you'd like people to communicate in a grown up, rational fashion. Minimize cursing, and get flaming to pretty much stop. The issue I see there is that for one, flaming is pretty impossible to stop, and for another, you yourself partake in the occasional flaming as well.

    In short, sometimes you just have a downright nasty way of putting your opinion out there. But now it seems you want to improve the general attitude of the forums so an open dialogue can exist without all the flaming.

    As such, my point of view has always been, if you don't want to get flamed, then don't flame. Only flame if people start flaming you, I guess.

    Anyway, I'm curious to see how this thread plays out. I support your attempt, for what it's worth.

    On the other hand though: the use of this forum is not merely limited to FH-related debate. Plenty of people who have left the game, still return to these forums to occasionally "speak" to the people they've once flown with or against. This is more than a games forum, this is also a meeting place. I do take offense when people insist all topics should be FH related, and complain when off-topicness happens.

    -Z
     
  9. -exec-

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    flk undertaking to make a new site

    myg contacted me and i spent up to one month checking whether it works

    fas makes planes basing on spitfireperformance of date of similar reliability

    being friendly is task of everyone, not just admins.

    active folks:
    bimbom - scorepages and server code
    gil - test user
    fas - flight models
    flk - new wb site
    letez - cursing everyone without argumentation.
    hardy - hosting server
    exec - dates and weapons
    funtom - speeds page
    (who else?)

    so who you gonna challenge and what for?
     
  10. mumble

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  11. -ALW-

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    For once we get to see a list of people involved! [​IMG]

    Only problem is there needs to be more people in that list doing other tasks as well! Should be a stickied list or "Staff List" with contact info too. :)

    BTW....
    Some fairly simple requests here....
    For the Training Arena, we need kill shooter turned off, attach command turned on, and when the server crashes again, airstarts too. If it's a training arena, it needs to be geared for training. We have new pilots showing up who would benefit GREATLY from this. If I had the permission and know how to make these changes I would do it. No one else is noticing or asking. :shuffle:
     
  12. -exec-

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    correctly "For once ALW get to notice a list of people involved!"
    i name these people quite often.

    do or step aside.
    hire or don't speak of hiring.

    it has an ambiguous title: once it's training arena, another time it's test arena. this period we test some features. after that we will return training settings.

    you want to be an admin of ta?
     
  13. -ALW-

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    Well, true enough but, I DID look and didn't find a list readily available on the forum.

    Hmm I don't think you understood what I meant. What I meant was to indicate we need more people added to the list of participants to help out, that's all. Some of us are on here more often that have spare time and could help. Many hands make light work. This is a team effort, right? :D


    There was a "TA" arena for the longest time and then the "DEV" (Developers) arena was added. The "TA" arena had multiple airstarts with various alts and killshooter off. Even if it was only a Test Arena, it would serve a good purpose with those settings in place, plus .attach. :duel: :flyer:

    We don't have any admins for any of the arenas right now. If I'm online at the time, and the "page trainer/admin" button was used, I could try to do what's needed or log on and see what was going on. I'll give it a try and, if it's a problem with the users, I'll relinquish. :cheers:
     
  14. bizerk

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    I'll second that ALW, Airstarts are needed in the training arena,... pretty please, with a cherry on top. :)

    we started to get more then a few pilots on at night (my time EST) and it was great fun to just dive into a fight, especially if you have little time to spare and just want to dogfight :)

    bullet
     
  15. flygod

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    Hi

    I just installed wbs on Win 7 64bit Ultimate and it works great. It does take a few clicks to get her going. If you need some help reply to me and give me your email and we get it going, I can remote on to your desktop if needed.

    But I agree we could be missing a lot of folks due to the install complexity. We need to put together a installer .exe If somone can build one that be great.

    The number one cause of no new members I found at least with everyone I recruited was it's just to dam hard for them to get a kill.

    "F&^*^ this game all I get is killed". So they get no positive feeling by getting blown away every lauch.

    If we can get an installer packiage made and did something to give the newb a little hope we may get some new members. Most people get frustrated pretty easy now adays. Maybe give them extra health for some many missions, enough that they get hooked at least.

    Most people do not have compulsive/ oppsessive disorder, so they can say "F this" and log out.

    If you did a survay I bet at least 80% of us are cumpulsinve/oppesive.

    Hell I know when I couldent get my first kill and it been more then a month, I was hooked, "game on mother F'ers" lol.

    Then for a longtime the Only reason I played was so I could kill the dam hack Xela.

    (and before you come to his defense; I attached to him and just watched. All the classic signs were there. The incredibale shaking of his views, you could hardly see another plane yet aim at it. And he fly towards this blurry icon and do a burst from D5+ in their direction and they explode etc.)

    Bigger the cheat, sweeter the kill, lol. :D

    Contact me if you need help with Win 7
    Oh ya, I am a computer professional. At least before they stole all our money and the economy colapsed. But theyll earn it when the revolution starts.
    see here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut-UPttf-dg

    Most think he's funny....but I think he is right, see what you think.

    "And I'm going to be with them!"

    flygav :mafia:
     
  16. noisul2008

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    i need help of how to cheat, pls:@prayer:
     
  17. -exec-

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    disappeared. probably prefers
    instead of
     
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    LOL, great picture ... saved :D