P38

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by demian, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. looseleaf

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    Ha ha ha... yeah, wonder why they were so persistent on getting you!

    Any case the problem is that you had to climb MUCH higher.

    The P-38 doesn't show its stuff until at least 15,000 feet.

    At 12,000 the turbos start making a difference over any other crankshaft driven supercharger.

    At 20,000ft no one can catch you as you climb.


    I remember one time when I was in the P38 with maxed-out bombs 2 X 1000 pounders and lots of fuel getting to a CV when I check 6 and see two German planes 109 and 190 or two 190s or two 109s, can't remember.

    Thinking I was toast anyway. I was deciding to drop bombs and start fighting when they got closer and then I thought let's see if this P38 can actually do what its supposed to do at alt. I was about 12,000~14,000 feet.

    I started a step system trading speed for alt , then level get speed and grab alt again.

    Sure enough I was able to pull away from them using the climbing in steps mode.

    But again, you have to be at 12,000 feet at least.

    Dudley is a real SOB in a Nik.

    However in a P38 if you get behind him you can dust his cookies.

    One of the longest and hardest fights I had was with Dudley in the Nik and me in the P38- older model , F or G , not J or L.


    Better luck next time.:D
     
  2. looseleaf

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    Dammmm.......



    Great job there ALW ! Nice research!

    Thanks!
     
  3. gil---

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    Almost all late war planes except other americans climb better or at least not worse than P-38L at low to middle alt. Compare power per weight of P-38L and N1K1, and all will get clear.

    Think so too

    As for me personally i have nothing against give P-38F military power at 100%, your arguments look ok :), but any WEP over this power (47 iHG + 3000 rpm) need to be mentioned in documents to be implemented in model, i think developers will agree with it. If you will find something - nice.
     
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    Ok.

    Do you think single engine operation problems will be resolved or is that a separate issue? Such as instability during level flight, inability to climb or maintain level flight.
     
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    That is my biggest issue with the current P-38 FMs (as I've said before, it's the most pronounced in the P-38L), and it's a bit unfair. :p Most other planes can merrily auto-climb on at 150 mph IAS ... in the P-38L you have to do it by hand. Pleeease fix that. That should be a relatively easy fix, right? :)
     
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    Some other planes react the same way. I think it is due to modeling of control responsiveness. The trim in aircraft vary quite a bit! Due to the low trim response in the P-38, the auto-trim, auto-climb are not very affective. I think it's a very easy fix but, no one says if what's being changed is difficult or impossible. :dunno: This "auto-trim" should be auto-pilot which would be more affective, controlling the elevator, rather than trim, helping especially at lower speeds, like during single engine operation. It seems like when an engine fails, that the props are flat against the wind, creating drag, pulling the aircraft to that side. And, trimming cannot be accomplished like it was back then. You'd set the trim, via rudder/aileron/elevator and it would stay. In WB, if you set auto-trim, no compensation is possible, unless the devs can create compensation by default with a dead engine. Also, I've noticed that trim settings won't stay where we set them during maneuvers. Would be nice if the trims could be indicated on the dashboard.
     
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    How is this?

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    may be raise windows lower frame to coincide with nose silhouette?
    rather than making nose smaller.
     
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    And make it look exactly like it was before, but with the panel rearranged?

    :ass:
     
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    just in time to insert irrelevant critics
    understandin of discussion does not matter
     
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    I didn't change the size of the nose, I just lowered it. I raised it till the edges are now showing up above the ALT and ENG gauges.

    Could you point out what you mean concerning the window frames?
     
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    It read like you wanted to get rid of the nose section altogether. It wouldn't have been your first request of that nature if that was what you meant anyway. :shuffle:
     
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    Blue line, window frame...I still have no idea what you are talking about. :dunno: If it looks good now, then I can create the forward corner views and that should be it. :cheers:
     
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    create
     
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    Wow, that's informative lol.
     
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    If you mean the left/right forward views, do they even exist? If not, then it would mean making views for the Beef-110, Me-410, Beaufighter, and pretty much everything else.