USA vs. IRAK

Тема в разделе "Warbirds International", создана пользователем Benjamin8, 20 мар 2003.

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Is USA's attack to Irak ok?

  1. yes

    23 голосов
    16,8%
  2. no

    105 голосов
    76,6%
  3. who cares

    9 голосов
    6,6%
  1. Glas

    Glas Well-Known Member

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    Wrong mate. From 1976 - 1991 the total income from countries like Germany, France, China and Russia on arms sales to Iraq was far superior to that of the US.

    It is also worth remembering that these same countries also have massive, cut-priced oil contracts with the Iraqi Government at the present time. What will happen to those contracts once the Hussain regime crumbles?

    Trust me, they are thinking of no one but themselves.

    -glas-

    p.s Even if previous administrations were guilty of selling shit to them, does this mean we should just ignore completely the fact he has them now? That argument holds no water.
     
  2. Lt.AK

    Lt.AK Well-Known Member

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    Kurds control much of the Northern Iraq.

    Hundreds of thousands. for example, the first thing Saddam did when he became the official leader of Iraq he executed more than 400 of top military and civilian officials.
     
  3. Lt.AK

    Lt.AK Well-Known Member

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    During the Iran-Iraq conflict US provided quite a lot of "help" to Iraq...
     
  4. rgreat

    rgreat FH Developer

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    Thats even not fun.
    How 'NO' can became 'no opinion'?
    Do you think veto right can be used just for 'fun'?
     
  5. Lt.AK

    Lt.AK Well-Known Member

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    For the Security Council to have an opinion every permanent member should agree on that. No agreement = no opinion.
     
  6. spaceb

    spaceb Well-Known Member

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    Glas read this:

    http://www.cliffpearson.com/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=30&page_id=32


    "In truth, however, a Congressional investigation found in 1992 that the CIA and the State Department were very much aware that Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons ? made by and bought from American companies ? against Kurdish civilians and Irani soldiers."
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    "In conclusion, it seems clear from the evidence that the goals of the United States and the West in Iraq are not to protect the innocent people from Saddam Hussein, but to: establish a dominant military presence in the Middle East, control Iraq?s oil production, and, apparently, utterly annihilate the Iraqi infrastructure and population.

    In the time it took you to read this article, more than a dozen children in Iraq died."
     
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  7. rgreat

    rgreat FH Developer

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    And? Afaik there was no war there.

    USA start to support Saddam as soon as he became Iraq leader/dictator.
    Now you decide to change.
    How about numbers of executed by Saddam at last period of time?
    It there genocide processing in iraq? I guess not.
    Or UN will agree on war. Genocide is a one of only few points that legally allow invasion by UN.

    P.S. Of couse Saddam in a dictator.
    But this is not give any right to start a war with nation.
    There is alot of dictators in world currently.
     
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  8. rgreat

    rgreat FH Developer

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    'Start a war' question can not be decided by olny one country. You know that.
    Especially then others are against it.
     
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  9. Lt.AK

    Lt.AK Well-Known Member

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    US didn't like Ayatollah Khomeini even more...
     
  10. rgreat

    rgreat FH Developer

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    Iraq sell oil to USA, now i bet they think they 'made a mistake and should go to USA and get it back... '

    Fun way of thinking right?
     
  11. Lt.AK

    Lt.AK Well-Known Member

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    they can go ahead if they want...
     
  12. rgreat

    rgreat FH Developer

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    Think about it. About way it develops.
     
  13. Lt.AK

    Lt.AK Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't one country... And all Saddam had to do to stop that military action was to go to exile...
     
  14. Lt.AK

    Lt.AK Well-Known Member

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    they'll be dead before they'll get there...
     
  15. rgreat

    rgreat FH Developer

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    Yep. Do you really remember even one case than such 'ultimatum' was accepted?
    Bush just can ask for right to rape all iraq women. Nothing will be changed.
    He even did not agree on 3 days Blair insisted deadline, not to mention more relaistic 3 weeks one.
    He wants the war. Not diplomacy. And he start a war. Sadly.
    Who will be next?
     
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  16. rgreat

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    Kill them all! Right?
    I ask again what Iraq did to the USA to justify the attack?
    Now USA want to be the only power, and only one to decide the world policy.
    Thats why even old allies turned away from USA.
     
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  17. rgreat

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  18. Lt.AK

    Lt.AK Well-Known Member

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    US is after Saddam not Iraq. All he needed to do was to cooperate, read the 1441, it was "...a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; ...", he did not, so now he "...face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;..."
     
  19. rgreat

    rgreat FH Developer

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    Then send assasin, and not an half million army with WMD on board.

    You trying to say that USA invade Iraq not against the will of UN Sequrity Consul, after Bush DIRECTY try to get permission and failed completely?
    And dont try to say that UN is a 'inefficient and unable to action organisation'.
    That lame Bush excuse for his diplomatic failures can not be considered true by intellegent person.

    UN did it best to keep peace in last 50 years.
    Remember keep peace, and not start wars.
     
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  20. -nicae-

    -nicae- Well-Known Member

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    sovereignty:
    1. Supremacy of authority or rule as exercised by a sovereign or sovereign state.
    2. Royal rank, authority, or power.
    3. Complete independence and self-government.
    4. A territory existing as an independent state.

    every country has sovereignty, and usa violated iraq's.
    saddam a bad ruler? iraq's problem. the most a country can do is pressure to convince, not invade without UN consent.
    war would be justified with WMD. where are they? UN inspectors found nothing. so bush gives ultimatum and invades.