Latewar planes available with streack only

Hi Malino,

>I've built streaks (my record is 37), to be honest it got boring after a while, you spend so much time worrying about whether someone is behind you/above you etc that you stop having fun because you're too concerned about losing the streak.

Last time I looked I said streak of 3, not streak of 37

>Yes, but why are you insisting I and many other pilots stop having fun?

You wouldn't stop having fun - you're just imagening that you would

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

Hi Glas,

>This game is all things to everyone, to try to force people to play in a style which suits you

Actually, the streak restriction would not require a specific style of flying.

It would merely define what "winning" and what "losing" means, and reward winning - like the vast majority of games does.

It would encourage a fighting "style" that doesn't doesn't lead to the death of the pilot - but that's the minimum definition that should be beyond discussion.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

Re: hi ho-hun

Hi Ledada,

>awards are used in games with a steady environment, where through the game players can get success by gaining higher 'positions'.

Actually, awards are used in all games to encourage the player to improve his skills.

>i have already some goals found in the game, i'd like to add no more goals to my personal fund of goals.

So "survival" is not one of your goals?

>also i think, level-buffers often don't think much about flying jets

I am a level buffer, and you'll have noticed im FIXATED on jets ;-)

>i don't believe, such tricks will bring back the buffs.

Jabo pilots have declared that they consider jaboing too dangerous if their streak is on the line. That means someone else will have to do the bombing - level bombers. Obvious connection!

>players will not change their mind about dying for a kill.

I'm not a psychatrist, I don't want to change their minds. I'll be happy if they change their behaviour - and the Ьberplane attraction is strong enough that they will.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

Hi Malino,

>You've hit the nail on the head.

Of course, this the n-th repetition of this thread, and I know my stuff by now.

>The joy of FH is you can make your own goals.

You still can do that even with a streak restriction.

>You're now telling us that we can't and have to conform to your point of view in how we fly in order to fly certain planes.

Do you fly to die? If so, you're going to have to change that. You're going to have to fly to survive now.

But that's such a bare-bone minimum requirement that I'm surprised you make such a big issue out of it. Striving to survive should be natural for any player anyway.

(Actually, you could still fly to die - you'd just meet your death in slightly inferior hardware then.)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

hi ho-hun,

you do level buff in a 262?
i will soon 'practice offline' that, gee - didn't know

 

Hi all!

Well One more sujest, If The Streak will be possoie, may we could extend the TOD for 2 months. Maybe =)

 

and fly much time i16 109 e and f4f3 ????????? are u mad???

 

We already have a reward for winning, look at the scorepages and tell me you're not envious of those players in the top aces list with streaks of 40 or more, or being one of those pilots remembered for exceptional skill (denis with a 12 kill sortie). Theres more rewards in this game because you have the ability to do whatever you choose than in 95% of the games around, It's a reward having a hard fight with someone and living or sometimes even rewarding dying at the hands of a master.

Everyone has there own way of being rewarded, to you the idea of building a streak in order to be "awarded" with a better plane would be rewarding, to me going one on one against someone like Big-Jo or Bullet and winning would be rewarding (although putting up a fight instead of just dying like noob can be fairly rewarding).

Everyone has there own way of gaining satisfaction, what else can explain KG51's fascination of flying in a straight line for two hours and dropping a couple of bombs at the end of it. If people want to be suicidal let them, to the good pilots in the arena it's those guys who are bait and account for 70% of the vulching kills that go on in the arena.

As to your comment about going Head to Head with someone being suicidal, it's a valid tactic in the 190 (why else do you have so many guns), yes you carry a small chance of dying doing it but you stand a bigger chance of dying by trying to fight a co-alt con without going HtH.

As to having more buffs in the arena by doing this, I disagree, you'll get alot of players staying in there own terrority to reduce the chances of losing a streak and any buff that comes near is just going to be dogmeat, afterall what pilot is going to escort a buff when he can lose his valuable streak and have to fly a shity plane. pretty soon no-one will fly buffs because you won't get anywhere near a target.

And the most important point, Elitism, almost everyone replying to this thread is capable of landing a kill regardless of whether they are in the most upto date plane or not, what about the 700 odd pilots who average 1 kill for 10 sorties in the arena, how'd you think they will feel if you introduce this and there chances of getting that kill drop from 1 in 10 to 1 in 50 because they're in a Spit 9 whilst I'm cruising around in a Dora getting 15 kill sorties because no plane can touch me.

If FH introduces this rule you won't have these newbie players striving to get better you'll have them going elsewhere where they can enjoy playing instead of feeling persecuted because they will never have the chance to be able to fight on equal terms to the rest of us.

Look at what happened at the beginning of the eastern front in WWII, I'll bet you Ј100 that if you introduce this rule within 3 months someone will end up with a streak equalling if not surpassing Hartmanns own, because not only do they have more experience on there side you've given them an almost overwhelming technical advantage.

You told me in another thread to talk to golds and fly gold, well I have and I do and still continue to do so. If you really want to see what the arena would be like with the introduction of your streak system then a good idea would be to fly gold in the period between November 1940 to May 1941 when you're trying to pit a 109E4 against the likes of Lagg3's and Spit Vc's. It's so frustrating that I don't even bother coming in the arena in this period and yet you're suggesting that 80% of the players in FH fly in this situation all the time.


I'm looking at the players in the arena as we speak and out of 33 reds I see only 5 pilots that I consider dangerous, I know I can go in there and get a streak 5 in one to two sorties and in my Dora I'll only have a 1 in 6 chance of meeting another pilot thats capable of killing me. But think, with your streak restriction I'll know when I get near a con if he's capable of killing me because he'll be flying the latest plane so all I need to do is fly away and find a con who isn't in the latest plane and therefore a newbie/poor pilot and kill him. Hey presto, within a week I've got a 100 streak and all I have to do is fly around avoiding the 6% of red players in the latest planes.


Malino

 

To sum it up:


Compare:

http://scores.wbfree.net/cgi-bin/wbstat.cgi?showplayer=freaku&tod=

http://scores.wbfree.net/cgi-bin/wbstat.cgi?showplayer=-bobby&tod=

I don't know who freaku is but he's trying and learning, do you really think he'll continue to stay and play if he can't fly the Dora and at least stand a chance against a pilot like Bobby.

Malino

 

Well said Malino, I also agree that the streak restriction would be inherently unfair. Say! Maybe we could implement the reverse to what Ho-Hun and Odi suggest? So a newbie could get a uberplane, and the veteran gets the leftovers? It's only fair isn't it? I mean the veteran should still be able to kill the newbie shouldn't he? I actually think that situation would level the playing field don't you? Certainly better than creating an Elitist group of pilots in current planes who hunt victims in out-of-date aircraft.

Hey Ho-Hun how do you feel about that? We give you a 109E against a Yak3? Sound fun?

What you're suggesting is going to turn a lot of players away from FH.

 

Ho-hun, I wouldnt mind a reply to my previous suggestion, that you keep the plane as long as you rtb (or ditch safely).

I feel this would be much fairer and means people will not feel the need to kill-steal etc in order to boost their streak.

You say survival is the most important. Let it reflect that!

Oh and btw:

So it has already been decided then? If so, what is the point of this discussion? If not, please stop talking as if it is the case, and discuss the pros and cons like the rest of us!

Right now, I see very few benefits and very big problems with the implementation and im not the only one.

-glas-

 

Hi Malino,

>We already have a reward for winning, look at the scorepages and tell me you're not envious of those players in the top aces

I'm not envious. And many people don't give a damn for scores anyway as they have no effect on the game.

>It's a reward having a hard fight with someone and living or sometimes even rewarding dying at the hands of a master.

Damn few masters and a lot of morons here ... if scores are envied here, they sure don't lead to a desire to improve your skills.

>to you the idea of building a streak in order to be "awarded" with a better plane would be rewarding

Not "to me" - it's an obvious, objective, measurable reward. The rest is something some people dream up, and others don't.

>If people want to be suicidal let them

Oh, I let them! But I don't understand your fight for the rights of the suicidals to get killed in the best fighter there is.

>As to your comment about going Head to Head with someone being suicidal, it's a valid tactic in the 190

Of course, there are situations when a head-on is the best available option. For many players, it seems to be the only option, even when the other guy has the 190. It's these who'd benefit from a clear definition of "winning" and "losing".

>pretty soon no-one will fly buffs because you won't get anywhere near a target.

Neither your assumption that people won't overfly enemy lines nor the assumption that bomber pilots are scared by the possiblity of getting shot down has any basis. I am a bomber pilot, and something in the tone of your voice tells me you aren't

>almost everyone replying to this thread is capable of landing a kill regardless of whether they are in the most upto date plane or not, what about the 700 odd pilots who average 1 kill for 10 sorties in the arena

Each of them has 699 odd pilots who's at the same skill level and is flying the same kind of aircraft which he has a fair chance of shooting down. He'll might not be able to kill Malino's Dora, but there are more average pilots than Malinos anyway, and with a Dora, he can beat those. (And even with a Dora, he still might not be able to beat Malino - but he can use you as an example, or he could envy you

>If FH introduces this rule you won't have these newbie players striving to get better you'll have them going elsewhere

It would be the first time a game becomes uninteresting because it offers a challenge

>Look at what happened at the beginning of the eastern front in WWII, I'll bet you Ј100 that if you introduce this rule within 3 months someone will end up with a streak equalling if not surpassing Hartmanns own

It might be worth the Ј100 just to introduce the rule, but most probably, I'd win anyway Remember, while 3 might give you a Dora, 30 won't give you an F-86, and 300 won't give you an F-22.

>a good idea would be to fly gold in the period between November 1940 to May 1941 when you're trying to pit a 109E4 against the likes of Lagg3's and Spit Vc's. It's so frustrating that I don't even bother coming in the arena in this period and yet you're suggesting that 80% of the players in FH fly in this situation all the time.

What you're missing is that on the other side, 80% of the players don't have the latest planes either. So your example is plain wrong - it's more like 1941 with a lot of Emils and Spitfire Is plus a few Friedrichs and Spitfire Vs. That's not going to frustrate anyone beyond what's normal today

>Hey presto, within a week I've got a 100 streak and all I have to do is fly around avoiding the 6% of red players in the latest planes.

Remember Boelcke? Surprise and altitude advantage will even the odds, and your simplistic scheme is quite silly.

Not to mention that many players don't consider a Dora superior to a Spitfire - that's your own elitist opinion ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

lol i can't follow hohun dactilografy
I understand as well what you guys say, but maybe you didn't understood 100% what i mean. My limitation is not to punish neewby, but it's only to limit the number of latewar planes in air. Or maybe should we follow the example wich was posted one year ago by rgreat (not sure , but was an admin) and set latewar planes like V1?

Ledada, if a neewby kill me in fight i have absolutely nothing to say if not S! to him, but i don't like very much when i have to fight against good pilots and some neewby can reach my plane and beat it only by superior engine power.. Ask to herlza for example against i had some fun fights and he asked me a challenge in TA, we did it then we passed some hours where i teached him some little triks to aim and manouver better, he learned as weel since now he build nice streaks and he admitted that now he feel better.
That's 1 on 50 neewby wich i find likeable and adapted to our comunity, all others know only the "Hi all" macro because is the only thing they say online. No one ask anymore to best pilots lessons on how to fly, much more fly without squadrons and fight as lonewulfes only. Sometimes it seems you have to cry for have a field status

This free host is getting too free...

 

hey guys, i must say, i don't think it's a very good idea to give best pilots with streaks or points to get the better planes. i must agree with buzz and kangaa and the others on this. i myself like to have planes when they come out the way it is now. i personally dont care for the meteor. but if it is added then so be it. i fly alot of times alone all by my lonesome. sometimes i am careful other times reckless. it's fun sometimes to fly into a hornets nest. especially if you survive. but i probably wouldn't be doing that much, since a good plane may be taken away from me. i'm all for realism, but i dont think streaks or points are apart of realism. i do remember reading in an interview article from the "blonde knight" Erich Hartmann. he could have flown the 262, but declined as to help younger less experienced pilots in the109.

p.s. you can find the interview in the 2002 sept issue of World War II magazine. <s> all

 

I don`t think, that the restriction of ьberplanes by Streaks is a good idea.

Lets see the problem. You are flying for streak and archive some kills. then you get pinged and a few minutes later you have diso. You will loose your streak and that was it.

I would prefer to restrict the good planes by kill/death ratio.

A high kill/death ratio shows, that you are a capable fighter and you understand to survive.
But the k/d alone is not enough. We should disable the .clear-Command
If we make a restriction by k/d we force the players not only to fly good in the last few days, when the ьber planes are out, but the whole rps.

The scorepage shows that in the moment we have over 200 Pilots with a k/d greater than one, 90 Pilots are better than 2 and 54 better than 3.

So we can make fine differences between the aiviability of the planes f.e. ME262 (K/D >3) , the LA7, 190D, 109K, F4U-4 (K/D >2) and the 109G14, P51 (K/D>1)

Cu Flubby

 

Hi Odisseo,

>i don't like very much when i have to fight against good pilots and some neewby can reach my plane and beat it only by superior engine power..

If a newbie does you in, you have to credit his skills in the first place. Engine power doesn't make a fighter, or the B-17 would be the best of them all.

>No one ask anymore to best pilots lessons on how to fly, much more fly without squadrons and fight as lonewulfes only.

Maybe the interest in lessons would grow again if you'd need to build some skills before you could fly the advanced planes ...

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

Hi Flubby,

>I would prefer to restrict the good planes by kill/death ratio.

Well, not a bad idea at all, but it means that the good players can rest on their laurels because once they've reached a fairly good ratio, nothing can happen to them any more.

The beauty of the streak system is that whoever you are, you get killed once and it's gone! That means the ace has no advantage over the newbie, and he wouldn't get away with anything the newbie wouldn't get away with either.

That's a good illustration of why the streak system is a rather fair system

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

Ok try a bomber...lmfao otto couldn't hit the side of a barn from the inside It takes allnight to get anywhere and with the bomb disperson it is not even an option...

Now let me say this once i fly till 1: i get shot down or 2:i run out of fuel ... I DON'T CARE ABOUT A STREAK ....Its a game get over it .... Not every body who plays this Game plays for the same reason as you....What right do YOU or ANYONE have to tell everybody that they have to play the way you play??

As for this idea that all the planes will be available is WRONG if you can't select a plane because you don't have a streak then IT IS NOT AVAILABLE ..

 

First off, it is NOT fair. It credits the best flyers and those with the best shots. People who have only just started to play the game will get pissed-off being cannon-fodder for the elite pilots whilst they try their best to 'learn' this game at the tempo you demand they learn it at!!! This is so fucking wrong!!!

Also, please tell me Ho-hun why do you dissect posts to reply to only the bits that you want to reply to, but all other valid points against your idea get ignored? Dont they form part of the basis of any decision that would be made on this?

If I didnt know any better, I would say that you and Odi have already decided this is going to happen, you just need an acceptable way to dress it up for admins.

Believe me, you do NOT speak for the majority with this idea!! Again I ask, please stop speaking as if you do.

-glas-

 

So now its a game? What happened to simulation?