109 F4 G2 vs Spitfire mk IX some maths.

i'm better mathematician rather than aerodynamist, and i'm very bad mathematician.
therefore, after i suggested corrections, presslufthammer and badger must check new calculations.
anyways, not being a fighter, i cannot say wether spit is ubermodelled. just dunno.
so, i just can try to follow your math, and correct it whenever i see bugs.

 

Dont look at maths. Acording to soviet source spit mk9c (merlin 61) should turn in 18,5 s here it turns in 17s!!!! Thats a fact that i have proved without using my buged math get it?

FIX THE GOD DAMN SPIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

how 17s are found?
100%fuel 1000m alt?

 

Yes look few replies erier. Your so lazy that you didnt read the whole topic?

 

http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showpost.php?p=479057&postcount=81
here's a speed fultuation. i cannot name it a sustained turn...
100%fuel, excuse me again?

looks like i must find turn time of irl spit myself.

 

Exec are you (kurwa) kidding?
15:12:00 TC= 159094; X=-14304.57; Y=72672.55; A=1014.07; TAS=260.93; IAS=247.98; Accel= 0.03; AOA=4.70; Kr=74.30; Az=147.00; CS=1.22; RS=7.60; OG= 2.86
15:12:17 TC= 176094; X=-14313.41; Y=72666.76; A=1000.66; TAS=271.57; IAS=258.26; Accel= 0.06; AOA=5.30; Kr=73.70; Az=150.60; CS=-0.30; RS=-2.00; OG= 3.05 turn time 17s
Speed INCRESES and its 17s and the difrence is only 10 km/h.

15:12:20 TC= 179094; X=-14358.52; Y=72455.53; A=998.22; TAS=273.48; IAS=260.11; Accel=-0.15; AOA=5.00; Kr=72.80; Az=215.20; CS=-0.61; RS=-0.30; OG= 3.07
15:12:36,5 TC= 195594; X=-14357.60; Y=72469.55; A=1007.97; TAS=269.95; IAS=256.63; Accel= 0.02; AOA=6.10; Kr=71.40; Az=211.60; CS=0.30; RS=0.00; OG= 3.00 turn time 16,5s Speed decreses by only 4 km/h and its 16,5s

15:12:40 TC= 199094; X=-14159.18; Y=72327.21; A=1011.63; TAS=267.87; IAS=254.60; Accel=-0.34; AOA=7.60; Kr=69.80; Az=287.20; CS=2.13; RS=-2.30; OG= 3.00
15:12:57 TC= 216094; X=-14143.03; Y=72325.38; A=1012.24; TAS=269.82; IAS=256.45; Accel=-0.30; AOA=5.90; Kr=70.00; Az=291.00; CS=0.00; RS=-1.90; OG= 3.03 turn time 17s Speed increses by 2 km/h.

I really dont know what is a sustaind turn for you. When speed error is +-0,001 km/h???

And god damn yes its 100% fuel. I even started log on the runway so Bw could check is it realy 100% fuel. Somehow he dont want to reply what he thinks about my last log.

FIX THE GOD (KURWA) DAMN SPIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

can you calm down if you want to talk with me?

 

Pilot Accounts
S/L Colin Gray, with No. 81 Squadron flying Spitfire IXs in North Africa, commented on a 3 April 1943 combat:

We were just taking off from Paddington for a diversionary sweep when the airfield was attacked without any warning whatsoever by a gaggle of bomb-carrying Focke Wulf 190s. Half a dozen of us were airborne, but the rest were still on the runway when the bombs fell, but fortunately they did not do any serious damage. I was about to land back again with a duff engine, but when I saw the bombs fall I immediately set off in hot pursuit of the invaders. I did not have much hope of catching them as the 190s had the legs on us at ground level and they had a head start from their dive, not to mention my duff engine. I chased them up the Beja road towards Tabarka, but the further we went the further they got ahead, so I eventually gave up the attempt and turned back for home. Just as I completed my turn I saw another aircraft coming towards me at high speed, and as he flashed past I recognized a 109G2. He also obviously recognized me as hostile because he immediately pulled into a screaming left-hand turn and attempted to dogfight. This was a big mistake because there was no way a 109 could turn inside a Spitfire. It took only a few minutes to get on his tail and a short burst with cannon and machine-guns produced much smoke, glycol, and large chunks falling off. The pilot immediately pulled up and bailed out, but we were still close to the ground, and although his parachute appeared to stream, it did not open before the poor beggar hit the ground. Almost at the same time I heard a yell over the R/T from Paul Hagger announcing that he too had also just knocked down another 109.
Group Captain Colin Gray DSO, DFC, Spitfire Patrol, (Hutchinson, London, 1990), p. 111.

 

what kind of Mk.IX & which Merlin?

 

I think im to calm anyway. I got you a log that proves the spit turns to good and you still dont seem to change your opinion. Maybe now youll hit me with more restrict criteria on how the test should be preformed huh ? Im tiried of testing posting results and those results beign denied when it dosent take much inteligens to see that my results are corect and they prove we have to agile spit. This post is my work here and i would be happy if you would respect it and stop talking some bullshit like here's a speed fultuation of +- 5 km/h. Im mean exec are you for real? If you want a calm discusion act like a normal man. Not a punk that disagree to a well documented fact becouse of his belives or i dont know hat.

I agree. 109g2 shouldnt outturn spi9c. Its 20s agains 18,5 in spit. 109f2 should have same turn rate as spit9 109 f4 should be 1s behind. But now we have 17 s spit and that is wrong.

 

the very first post of yours i stuck with had a methodic error already.
therefore i just want to be sure that you understand me and your errors.
so cease labeling me with various words.

 

Can yo uunderstand that the log is from FH test arena and has nothing to do with mathematics in first post? Source says that spit9c (merlin 61) should turn 18,5s. FH admins thinks that in FH it turns also 18,5s. I posted a log where spit turns 17s so the spit is fucked up. Now do you understant? What we agruing for somthing like 4 pages dont have nothing to do with that maths!!!

FIX THE GOD DAMN SPIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

sorry, i won't communicate with such an emotional rush.
wait for any developer to answer.

 

exec...

 

Will you communicate with me if I, __calmly__ and with a friendly face, repeat the essence of what he just said? I mean really, did he not prove pretty much beyond doubt that the Spit as modeled on FH can do a 360 in roughly 17 secs?

 

calmly repeat essence...

 

Two weeks?

Exec is a woodpecker.

 

today i had dogfight with torsti

he spit ix (lf?)

i a6m3

after dogfight (he run) he come to the channel 100 and say

'those zekes are cheat itself'

'loop over loop over loop no e loose.'

my apologizes

i have made a great dis-honour by making a better turn than spitfeuer



trak hier

 

Sorry to discourage you, kopi, but Spitfire will never be corrected. Just take it as is. One of the developer team, responsible for FM shaping wants reds to have official cheats. Period. I have mentioned the issue numerous times, second release sinse then -- nothing changes. The best example: Spitfire 9 against Ki-84. Compare them at some 400-500 km/h speed -- kind of parity, pilot experience rules. Now compare them at 300-200 km/h... Wow, Ki-84 has "lost" its elevator and has turned into a flying log. Very nice. That's what I call political pro-fucking-red porno show. Please, anyone, explain me in numbers and formulas, why Ki-84 does lose pitch control effectiveness and Spit does not?

Unless every player has a tool to decode and check MISC.BIN FM contents, we will suffer this fucking pro-red tendency, official cheats and fucked up once long, long ago to be excellent game.

 

Official pro-red policy? Is that why a 110 with a red on its tail can basically slow down from 300 mph to a stand still in midair and then out turn just about any red plane bar the Spit?
Lots of fishy things going on in the flight modeling here, on both sides.