very strange... looks like P-47C-5-RE and P-47D-25-RE are identical (diff<10km/h, climb of D is better by 1m/s(200fps)) what's performance difference between them?
IMO That s because they have almost the same engine, the water injection is not a turbo, it just let you use 100% RPM during much time. P47D25 is bit heavier and the modification of fuselage might affect to the top speed.
do i test the speed in all those alt in the same sortie? or should i do them individual starting from that altitud?
Now, fields from F1 to F6 have air start F1 - 3300 feets (1 km) F2 - 6600 feets (2 km) ... F6 - 19900 feets ( 6km) All fields - red. You can post you result here, or send private message for me or Exec. Thank you for help!
This are climbing with both P47 at cs 165. It s strange because i always supposed that climbing to 6km would take 12 minutes, but instead of that....: P47C2: 20 kft--->10'20'' 30 kft--->16'21'' P47D30: 20 kft--->9'20'' 30 kft--->14'43'' If you look at the performance chart that i posted, climbing to 30 kft with engine R-2800-21 (P47C) would take 20 minutes....although with the other engine R-2800-59 (P47D22-25) suit just fine, 14 minutes. P47C climbing P47D climbing BTW those climbs are without WEP, i ll do them with WEP now....if i can connect to the server because it just gone down again :/
I found this about the first unit to enter in combat, a squadron from 4th FG: First Mission: 2 Oct 1942 Last Mission: 25 Apr 1945 Aircraft flown in combat: Spitfire V: Sep 1942 to 1 April 1943 P-47C: 10 Mar 1943 to Feb 1944 P-47D: Jun 1943 to Feb 1944,br> P-51B: 25 Feb 1944 P-51D: Jun 1944 P-51K: Dec 1944 It seems they used the P47C along to P47D until they replace them for P51s. As i said D model arrived only 2/3 months later. http://www.4thfg.org/WW2hist.html
Reading this source http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_4.html and the performance chart i see that all diferences between the engines are: R-2800-21 It had 2000 hp, 2300 with water-alcohol injection (15 gal). The water injection was introduced in D4, D-5-RE, D-6-RE, and was "manual". R-2800-63 Same power 2000 hp, 2300 with water injection. At D10 was manual , but in D11, D15 and D16 was automatically activated by the throttle lever. It had 15 gal of water. There was a kit to upgrade that activation of water injection for prevous model such as D4,5,6 but for earlier it was needed 200 hours of work to complete the upgrade. R-2800-59 2000 hp, 2300 with water injection. Used from D20 onward. It was the same engine but with a diferent ignition system. It had 15 gal of water from D20 until D25 which had 30 gal. From D22-23 the Hamilton and Curtiss propellers were used, with those the plane gained +400ft/min in climb but adding dificulty to take offs and landings. Those propellers would do the P47 fast, but from D15 onward new shackles were added to the wings, what costed 45 mph to top speed in begining, although with new streamlined shackles only costed 15 mph. Also, there is one thing that i dont understand. It says that R-2800-59 had as maximun power 2300 hp, but in the botton of the page it says that P-47D25 with R-2800-59 as well had 2535 hp!
that's probably D-1-RE (produced since 1943-04) D-5-RE produced since 1943-07 (+very probably 3 months for delivery and training) so do i understand you correctly? 1.P-47C-2-RE (current 1943-01) must be deleted. slot must be given to P-47D-5-RE 2.P-47D-30-RE (current 1944-08) must be left as it is. 3.P-47D-5-RE must be set to 1943-07 +4months = 1943-10. 4.P-47D-5-RE must perform exactly like P-47D-30-RE (except removing two bombs and rockets)
or you mean another way? 1.P-47C-2-RE must perform exactly like P-47D-30-RE (except removing two bombs and rockets)?
yes, that was my idea Yes because it is not my favourite block Here it s the problem. In the performance chart we see that C1 and first D model has the same power that later blocks, but that is not possible because C and earlier D model hasn t water injection for better working of the engine....or that chart was made with C and earlier D model which had the water injection modification. I was wrong, although the water injection isn t a "turbo" it let you t use the max rpm of the engine, gaining 300 hp: in other words, a turbo If we erase P-47C for D5 with that date that you said (october 43), that would leave the server without a plane that was very important from april 43....or at least from august 43 when joined to B-17s. We can do 2 things, change it for D5 and wait for it until very late at war, or modify the C2: make it "especial" with water injection kit, same speed than in that performance chart and delay it, appearing a few months later due we haven t enough slots to make some versions. To have the jug at october 43 is too late. I would be glad to have 3 version, C without Wep until october 43 for example until D5, and later D30. But if we only can have 2 P47s i think we should be a bit flexible in this matter. I keep voting for D5, because it s impossible that C version reach 2300 hp, however i ll be looking for dates again, because october 43 is too late.
this is not "possible", C2 without water injection kit hasn t 2300 hp, although if it happens i will be happy
we need your investigations on mismatches between FH P-47C-2-RE (C-5-RE) and IRL P-47C-2-RE (C-5-RE) application form: Code: FHL IRL xxx@yyy nnn@mmm (whatever it is, mil-climb, wep-climb, turn et tutti frutti) xxx@yyy nnn@mmm xxx@yyy nnn@mmm xxx@yyy nnn@mmm ... IRL conditions: ____ (fuel, altitude, engine regime etc) FHL conditions: same as IRL IRL data from ISBN___ or URL___
RPS sucks: All usefull gold bombers removed from small fields, no opponents for reds = no game. Reds have Pe-2, Mosquito and Il2 with rox. Golds have slow japanese crap and Stukas. Need at least one bigger bomber to CV:s too: Betty for golds and B-25C or DB-3 for reds.
