Which new aircraft do you want?

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by HoHun, Mar 25, 2003.

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Which new aircraft do you want?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2003.
  1. Me 109E-7/N (slightly faster Emil)

    42 vote(s)
    38.2%
  2. Fw 190A-1 (slower/lightly armoured Fw 190)

    45 vote(s)
    40.9%
  3. Spitfire V early (accurate Spitfire Vb)

    22 vote(s)
    20.0%
  4. Spitfire V late (high-performance Spitfire Vc)

    22 vote(s)
    20.0%
  5. Spitfire IX early (high-altitude Spitfire)

    16 vote(s)
    14.5%
  6. Spitfire IX late (high-performance Spitfire IX)

    23 vote(s)
    20.9%
  7. P-51A (counterpart to Fw 190A)

    32 vote(s)
    29.1%
  8. Ki 44 (faster and better armed than Ki-43)

    55 vote(s)
    50.0%
  9. Ju 88S-1 (fast bomber capability for the Axis)

    51 vote(s)
    46.4%
  10. Mosquito B. XVI (faster Mossie bomber with more bombs)

    28 vote(s)
    25.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi Babek,

    >Is there any hope that the He111 will be added in future ?

    The He 111 needs a new 3D model, that's the problem :-(

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  2. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi Exec,

    >HoHun, which Shoki do you mean?

    The Ki-44-IIb as the first significant version to see combat.

    >Also I'd notice that Mustang Mk.I, IA, P-51A is not counterpart for FW.190A-1,2. This Pony is fighter-bomber afaik.

    See post above :)

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    Henning (HoHun)
     
  3. Glas

    Glas Well-Known Member

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    Well, i will look forward to the introduction of the new JU88, if we get it. If it has a significant improvement on straight-level speed over the current Gold buffs, i'll be taking it for a ride more often than i take buffs now, thats for sure.

    If we can get the He-111 also, I think you could see a redressing of the balance in terms of field capping and winning wars.

    Any new gold planes would be much appreciated tho :)

    -glas-
     
  4. babek-

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    CC - understood.

    Other question.

    Do you think its possible that there will be an introduction of the Nakajima B6N.

    It was a better torpedo-bomber which replaced the B5N. Main advantage is its speed which ia 100 km/h faster than B5N.

    And it was built in higher number than B5N.

    And - biggest advantage for FH - it looks very similiar compared to the B5N. So there is no need for a new 3Dmodel.

    Cheers

    Babek
     
  5. Cicero

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    Ki-44 needs a new one too. Or even a exsting one (Ki-84; P-47C) with some changings. Same for He111 (G4M).

    So why is Ki-44 in list?

    BTW: I'm pro B6N too.
     
  6. illo

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    I would like to have A-2 instead. A-1 more of combat evaluation plane of JG26 than anything else.
    A-2 was first widely spread variant.

    This would be my list:

    Spit Vb
    Spit Vc (late)
    Spit LF.IX

    190A-2
    190A-6
    190A-9

    B6N2
    Ju-88S
    Ju-52 (bomber)

    Bristol Blenheim IV
    Mosquito B.XVI
     
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  7. illo

    illo FH Beta Tester

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    Problem is that in FH you can hit easily with rocks.

    In real life you couldnt.

    Also imagine which was more effective. 0.3kg warhead of RS-82 rocket or 500kg bomb?:)

    Shockwave from 500kg would most likely disable all ack guns from small field. What would 0.3kg explosive do?
    Scare few gunners..maybe destroy ack if salvo fired on.
     
  8. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi Babek,

    >Do you think its possible that there will be an introduction of the Nakajima B6N.

    Everything is possible :) It's not like I decide what is included or not, I can just make suggestions in the same way like everyone else.

    After looking at a photograph of both planes, I'd say you have a point about the B6N. Would you like to start a new thread with data on that plane?

    The most important parameters: Speed at sea level, speed at full throttle height, climb rate at sea level, bomb load and and layout for carrying them (internally/externally).

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  9. HoHun

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    Hi Cicero,

    >Ki-44 needs a new one too.

    The Ki-44 has enough family resemblance to the Ki-84 to base both on the same 3D model, like done with Typhoon and Tempest.

    Of course, that's only my opinion, but most of the time I shoot at shapeless dots anyway, so I really don't care much about graphics :)

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  10. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi Illo,

    >A-1 more of combat evaluation plane of JG26 than anything else.

    Actually, A-1 and A-2 were used alongside in pretty similar numbers, and I think the A-1 actually was the more common variant.

    >This would be my list:

    Good list, too :)

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  11. HoHun

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    Hi Illo,

    >Shockwave from 500kg would most likely disable all ack guns from small field.

    A 1800 kg bomb with 1000 kg of explosive material would create a pressure of 25 t/m^2 in 50 m distance from the explosion - enough to tear down walls.

    In 500 m distance, the pressure is just 0.4 t/m^2 - enough to break window panes, but not enough to do structural damage to buildings.

    (From a German WW2 aircraft recognition manual)

    Against soft targets like flak guns, normally fragmentation bombs would be used which create fragments that kill in up to 300 m distance.

    The probability of a kill of course depends on the number of fragments, a 12 kg with 1000 fragments would have a lethal radius of 9 m against a 1 m^2 target and a 28 m radius in which it has a pk of 10%. A 500 kg fragmentation bomb would have a lethal radius of 58 m and a 10% pk radius of 182 m.

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  12. spaceb

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    Ju88S would be really nice.
     
  13. illo

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    Nice info,
    I hope they revisit bomb/rocket DM.
     
  14. chato-

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    afaik - the ki44 has not very much to do with the ki 43 - it was a highspeed aircraft (compared with ohter japanese planes), often used against bombers. With bad view and week steering but strong engine.
     
  15. Cicero

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    I don't think it has a bad view at all. I think its meant for rolling on ground due to the big engine (like Fw190). Notice the strange wings:
     

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  16. Cicero

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    To compare:

    Ki-43
     

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  17. Cicero

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    ...and Ki-84:
     

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  18. -exec-

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    looks like it's a gold forum: 130 vs 98 :D
     
  19. Cicero

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    I guess, U would be nothing without your calculator. :D
    To me it seems like generally numbers in main-arena. ;)
     
  20. HoHun

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    Hi Fla,

    >Before I vote, how many of each were contructed/saw action ?

    For the Me 109E-7/N, two months of production are missing from the total since the records were destroyed:

    Me 109E-7/N: >1735

    With regard to the Fw 190A-1: Before the A-4 came out, at least 1035 Fw 190s were produced. Not very many of them were A-1 models, but if given the choice between the A-1, A-2 and A-3, I'd say the A-1 offers the best gaming value.

    Fw 190A-1: 102 (or a few more)

    With regard to Spitfire numbers, you have to consider that "early/late" is a description of the aircraft capability and not necessarily evident from the designation. After a certain date, all Spitfire Vs got modified for greater power and became "Spitfire Vs late" :)

    Spitfire V early: 4017 Va and Vb
    Spitfire V late: 2447 Vc

    Spitfire IX early (Merlin 61): 350
    Spitfire IX (Merlin 66 etc.): 5315

    For the Allison Mustang, I've picked the first and most numerous variant.

    Mustang I: 600 delivered

    For the Ki-44, I'll just rely on Exec's numbers.

    Ki-44-IIb: about 1000 samples

    The Junkers Ju 88 Schnellbomber was relatively rare and divided into several submodels:

    Ju 88S total: 120+

    The Mosquito B. XVI was by far the most significant bomber version. For comparison: Of the B. IV currently modelled in Warbirds, only 240 examples were built.

    Mosquito B. XVI: 1200

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)