Which new aircraft do you want?

Hi Cicero,

>To me it seems like generally numbers in main-arena.

LOL! I'll repeat the poll when a few of the major squadrons have switched to Red ;-)

Actually, I think there's no bias evident from the votes - the Spitfire variants just don't appear as exciting as the Gold planes because we already have a representation of each.

And the Allison Mustang gives the Gold planes a run for its money

I'm a bit disappointed, though, that the Mosquito B. XVI doesn't get more votes - it's my secret favourite!

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

Add a vote for mossie from me, I left it out accidentally

 

Allied got enough fine late bombers, so I left Mossie out. If the map is once area restricted and allied parties are splitted, well then it would be ok.

 

I voted using the 1000 planes parameter. So it's for all except Mustang, Ju88S. Also would like to add that Maybe 190A2 is more representative of the A1-A3 serie (more built afair) and also that the Mossie should go in place of the existing one, as it had just a few built.

Trully, I think there should be a parameter for minimum of units built/in action for adding planes. Maybe this could be lowered later when the major models are in, but this is another discussion.

 

Production totals can be maybe somewhat deceptive.
A lot more effort involved in building and operating one Pe-8 (larger plane, more engines, more guns, more crew, more fuel, et cetera) than in making one LaG-5, some of which were little more than LaGG-3 with little more than an engine change.

 

Suggestion:

Lets take the japanese Yokosuka P1Y1 GINGA instead of the Ju88S.

Because:

1. More than 1000 Gingas were built - so the 1000-parameter is fullfilled. This is not the case with the Ju88 S

2. The Ginga looks similiar compared to the Ju88. So the 88-skin could be taken as a base which could be modificated.

3. Japan would get another plane. As a major power of axis it has actually only 1 2engined bomber.

4. Ginga is fast, well armed, climbs good, has a good range and for a japanese plane it is also good armored - it has not so good bombload-datas as the Ju88S but climbs better and has better weapons.


5. Ginga was delivered to the troops at August 1943, Ju88S was used at the end of 1943 first. So Gold would get a fast bomber earlier in RPS.

Flightdatas

JU88S / P1Y1
max Speed 600 km/h / 556 km/h
climbspeed 550 m/min / 650 m/min
Altitude 11000 m / 10220 m
range 2000 km / 4390 km
Armament 1x13mm rear / 1x20mm front + 1x 20mm rear
Bombs 2000 kg / 1000 kg


I think that the Ginga is more interesting than the JU88S - so I would ask to introduce this plane.

 

IMHO it looks quite different to Ju88 but much closer to G4M:



But I'm pro it. Add more japanese planes!

 

I want Ginga! gimme gimme!!!

 

blast radius

Thx HoHun thx for good information.
Sure, increasing blast radius will be nice.
As for example, the diameter of 40mm ack is ~56m.
The distance between the centers of A1 (40mm) and A2 (88mm) acks on big field is ~330m.
Fighters have the 1.5-2.0x "unhistorical" magnification firing range, I think Bombers have moral right to ask developers introduce at least "historical" effect.
Now 1000kg bomb dropped from Me410 from 3K in dive can't kill A1 and A2 acks. Check the picture below, made on TA 5min ago. We have no historical effect on bombs now.

 

They are not identical but similiar:





Both have a lenght of 15m and a span of of 20m.

 

Hi Babek,

>Lets take the japanese Yokosuka P1Y1 GINGA instead of the Ju88S.

Let's take the Ginga in addition to the Ju 88S

The Ginga is an interesting aircraft, but it not only needs a new 3D model, but also an entirely new cockpit. I'd rather class it as a conventional bomber than as Schnellbomber, too, because it's not fast enough to out-run fighters like the Mosquito or the Ju 88S. (The speed you give for the Ju 88S is too low, by the way.)

I'd not overestimate the importance of numbers anyway - in Warbirds, we don't have an asymmetric war like WW2 was in reality, but a symmetric one where the question is: "What aircraft are there for a certain role?", not "How many were produced in the real war?"

Comparing the Ju 88S production to the Mosquito we have on Freehost: Only 240 Mossquito B. IVs were built, so 120 Ju 88S doesn't seem like a low number at all. The Mosquito IV sees a lot of use - how could one justify leaving the Ju 88S out? It should see 50% of the Mossie's use, not 0%

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

There's a high probability of implementing Ju.88S-1 as "easy to model" craft, alongside with: P-47D-15, FW.190A-2, Spit-LF9C, MC.202/1, Hurricane-4, Mustang-1, Mosquito-F2.

Actually this method was alredy used for a package of Ju.87B-2, BF.110F-1, IL-2M'NS37, Spit-2A, F6F-3, F4U-1A.

However, listed are not target for 1.52. But I hope to see a bunch of some "easy to model" in 1.53-1.54.

 

Dont forget the B6N. Its also easy to model out of the B5N

 

under term "easy to model" i mean crafts that may even endure absence of image remake. usually they differ in colors only.

 

How about these:

Mitsubishi Ki 46 Dinah
Mitsubishi Ki 67 Hiryu 'Peggy'
Nakajima G5N Shinzan 'Liz'
Nakajima G8N Renzan 'Rita'
Nakajima J1N Gekko

 

dinah is recon. interceptor is schragemuzik.
peggy and ginga must be balanced at least with pe-2k, mossie-16, a-20k, not even mention about tu-2s and a-26b/c.
shinzan is 5 samples built. even worse than p.108b
renzan is absolute fiction in 45, together with amerikabomber me264. may be 1947?
gekko is zelendusche/schragemuzik only plane, almost impossible to model.

did you ever thought of your proposal yourself?

 

IMHO actually for the gold in early war there is an only choiche , bf109 E / F /G2 /G6 (till 190)
The ki 27 , 43 and mc202 have poor guns, me110 is not a fighter the and ther is not any other choiche.
Mybe can help the player add some plane such as Mc200 (1937) Mc205N or V (1942), Fiat G50 (1937) Fiat G55 (1942), Reggiane 2000 (fighter 1939, vers. Catapultabile can be launch from warship), Reggiane 2001(fighter 1941 ), Reggiane 2002 (fighter bomber), Reggiane 2005 (fighter 1943).

The reggiane series was a manuvrable plane thath can be opposed to high energy axis plane, the mc205 / fiat g55 re 2005 was very good planes superior on 109g6 and with good armament.
The reggianes was also a fighters /fighters-bombers that in some version can be launched from carrier and that can drop torpedos

This is a list of "can be" planes some of these can be added.

Paolix

 

renza was a joke and not serious suggestion.
yes and dinah i though to use the interceptor version.
hmm shinzan i readed about 6 planes but it was only a tought about a early bomber for axes.
sorry gekko i didnt saw that it was equipped with upward-firing cannons.
Biggest problem for axes is that you cant find a bomber for late war cause they only produced fighters against high flying buffs and escorts. If you always look at the numbers of planes which they build in the last year of the war then you only have a few planes you can use. Same problem in the first year of war only germans had many bombers like Ju88, He 111 or Do17. The last few month i flew on a other server in the hope not to see jaboattacks only but i dont think that that server lives long. Now i hope you get the Bombers here back to work for both sides in every year.

 

Exec, when you say P47D-15 you sure mean P47D-25 in FAB colors right ?

 

Yes - and repaint one of the 110 in iraqui colours



OK - just kidding, but here the story of the "iraqui" 110ґs:

The second gruppe of Zestorergeschwader 76 moved to Greece in late April, 1941 to aid in the invasion of Crete. At the same time, a coup d'etat in Iraq had thrown out the pro-British government, and the new regime asked Hitler for assistance in ridding the country of British troops.

With the invasion of Crete underway, and Operation "Barbarossa" coming up, the resources of the Luftwaffe were stretched to the limit. Hitler, to appease the Iraqis, sent the 4th staffel of ZG 76, a staffel of Heinkel He-111's, and various support aircraft to Mosul by way of Damascus, Syria.

This small group, known as Sonderkommando Junck (Special Force Junck, named after its commander, Oberst Werner Junck) arrived at Mosul during the second week of May, 1941. There was no ground support system in place, and they were forced to bring everything they would use with them either in their aircraft and or the few transports allotted to them -- including bombs for the bombers!

The Iraqi campaign lasted all of ten days. The number of serviceable aircraft fell quickly with spares at a premium, until by May 26, 1941, there was not a single Me-110 that was flyable. During their brief operations, the Me-110s claimed at least two air victories (RAF Gloster Gladiators) in the air and several more on the ground. The remaining aircrew were flown out by transport aircrarft.