Correct the flight models of....... suggestions

Perhaps this will help shed some light on the subject of turn for different aircraft. These numbers are for combat speeds not full speed. Also use of flaps was not mentioned. I have posted numerous information from many different sources on many aircraft we use here so if any are interested, just look back in past posts of mine as well as many others and you'll find a wealth of very good factual information. Good luck.

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109f-3 wingloading 35lb/sq ft
I-16 type 27 wingloading 26lb/sq ft
Mig-3 WL 39lb/sq ft
Lagg-3 WL 37lb/sq ft
Yak-1 WL 34lb/sq ft
109E-3 WL 32lb/sq ft
110C-4 Wl 36lb/sq ft
Spit I WL 24 lb/sq ft
Hurr I WL 26lb/sq ft
MS406 WL 33lb/sq ft
Curtiss Hawk WL 24lb/sq ft
Dewoitine D.520 WL 34lb/ sq ft
Me 262 WL 60lb/ sq ft
La-5FN WL 39lb/sq ft
Yak-9 WL 36lb sq ft
Yak-3 WL 37lb/ sq ft
FW190D-9 WL 48lb/sq ft
Spit XIV WL 35 lb/ sq ft
Tempest V WL 38lb/sq ft
Ju-88G-6 WL 49lb/ sq ft (nightfighter)
P-47D WL 49 lb/sq ft
P-38L WL 53 lb/sq ft
P-51D WL 43lb/sq ft
109G-6 WL 40 lb/sq ft
FW 190A-8 WL 49 lb/sq ft
Me 410A-2 WL 60lb/sq ft
110G-4 WL 50lb/sq ft
Ju-88C-6c WL 46lb/sq ft
P-40 Tomahawk II WL 32lb/ sq ft
P-40 Kittyhawk III WL 36lb/sq ft
Fw190A-3 WL 39lb/sq ft
Spit VB WL 28lb/sq ft
Spit IX WL 31lb/sq ft

This info taken from the book "Luftwaffe Fighter Aces, the jagdflieger and thier combat tactics and techniques" by Mike Spick ISBN 1-85367-255-6
wingloading is only part of the equation.

 

raf made turn tests?

you gonna get E wing back in summer 1944, as it was in reality. since we don't have spit9e/1944, you can see E armament on spitfire 14, that has E wing too.

 

I invited everyone to present facts. I am not interested in your so-called opinions and insults...nor is anyone else here at this forum as I can see by your stellar feedback.
Thank you

 

So you are saying that a F-15 has the same flight charactoristics of a Zeke?

 

Please take your mutual admirations elsewhere and stop flaming.

 

Thank you.

 

looseleaf ur feedback will suffer if you go on wit ur ways

this not threat

it is waht wil happen

ur gonna get too many peeple mad at u

and then (like squirl) u will make blanket statements about the forumers just cause they dont conform to ur "world view" (look at squirl rep now)

u will get yelled at

ignored

bad rep'd

and generally just piss off a bunch of peeple

dont go down that road

 

We tryed and then we tryed again...As has been said if it aint Russian or German then it is all lies, so why even try and talk to such people? Just play the game as it is and when it pisses you off leave cause it aint going to change... Have a look at past posts there has been countless pages and books and data given and not one bit was used...

 

So, are you simply stupid or just brainless?

 

yep, but english and american propaganda lies made that data untrustworthy
russians don't have propaganda lies, they have THE TRUTH

their private own one

 

Let's stay foucused on the issue and leave junvenile insults and snide remarks aside for the moment.

The matter discussed was someone flying a zeke with one wing in the FH simulation.

The arguement was that although possible in the FH online game, that in reality it could not ever happen.

Someone brings to the discussion, you, I believe, that a F15 had flown with most if not all of its wing blown-off, therefore it is possible.

Now let's examine the "It is possible." statement.

Perhaps a F15 with such a power to weight ratio and flight controlls it may be able to sustain a certain level of flight controll for a certain amount of time, can "fly", maybe even land.

However if you are suggesting that a A6m "Zeke" could fly with one wing blown-off, you are mistaken.

If you one is able to "fly" a zeke with one wing in the FH game it is a game bug and not a feature reflecting physical reality, nor historical fact.

 

My god, the last true believer!

 

looseleaf this forum alredy has one squirl to many

 

Just for your information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-63_Kingcobra

Right there in black and white, your friend bhoover is right!
P-63 58X37mm and four .50cal

58 rounds were suggested by Russian advisors.

 

From what I have been told this forum has one "ghandi" too many.

But hopefully they will be making a correction soon.

 

FYI P51B specs:
From: http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P-51_Variants.html

P-51B (NA-102/104) production version of XP-51B,
6,840lbs empty, 9,200lbs normal, 11,200lbs max
1,620 hp Packard twelve-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled Merlin V-1650-3 twelve-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled Merlin
388 mph @ 5000 ft, 406 mph @ 10,000 ft, 427 mph @ 20,000 ft, 430 mph @ 25,000 ft, 440 mph @ 30,000 ft
1.8 minutes to 5000 ft, 3.6 minutes to 10,000 ft, 7 minutes to 20,000 ft. Service ceiling 42,000 ft
Four 0.5-inch Browning MG53-2 guns in wings, 350 rounds each gun, and 280 rounds each outer gun
NA-104 wing hardpoints strengthened for 1,000-lbs bombs
Final 550 aircraft added 85-US gal rear fuselage tank (P-51B-7-NAs), also retrofitted to some earlier aircraft
Green camouflage paint removed later in production run to reduce weight/drag
1,988 built, 25 to RAF
Mustang Mk III British equivalent P-51B/C (274 P-51Bs and 626 P-51Cs)
British addition of "Malcolm Hood" or "Bubble" canopy on Mustang III improved visibility, retrofitted to many P-51B/Cs


can anyone provide similar info?

 

More P-51B information:

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avp512.html#m2

 

spitfires afair is done according to spitfireperformance.com
if you noticed bugs, show'em. if you haven't, don't talk.
developers use the best sources available (e.g. US-TAIC for IJN/IJA)
personally i don't know where developers taken turn time, RAF or TsAGI/NIIVVS.
i asked because allies did not payed much attention to turn time, unlike soviets. and i cannot recall any turn report from allies.

can you shut up about commie/nazi in this thread? i ask you as a moderator.

 

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51.html