Hi Roland Garros, >Rather than try to balance the 262 scourge with the Meteor (which probably wouldn't do the job anyway Actually, the Meteor would be a big surprise to all the people who have been badmouthing it Bring it on - the Me 262 was the better fighter no doubt, but the Meteor had its strengths! >maybe a better solution would be to add the allies own late war technological marvel, the B-29: Creative thinking, I like that But it's too "asymmetric" to be a solution, if you know what I mean. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
I agree, it would be interesting to find out how much the game balances up if the Meteor was introduced. However, consider this for a moment..... If it is introduced, will the intro dates in the RPS be matched? Surely that would be the fairest solution, or at least making them as close to historical accuracy as possible without disrupting gameplay. So I would then assume the 262 gets introduced earlier, to accomodate the introduction of the meteor (cos there's not much use in admins going to the trouble of designing the plane if it only gets the same 8hr stint as the 262). Bearing the above in mind, I can guarantee that from the introduction of the 262 and Meteor, every other plane will become practically obsolete. Seriously, think about it. Would you want to fly a plane at 5-600kph when all around are whizzing past at 8-900kph? Okay, maybe some would, but most wouldnt. Im not knocking the introduction of the meteor, i think there should be some kind of balance. But I would much prefer that either the jets were modified so they werent too 'uber' in comparison to the other planes in the RPS, or removed altogether. Otherwise, it could get VERY boring in the last few days of the ToD. -glas-
meteor, i guess would be ok, perhaps the p-63 kingcobra would be ok too. or the CAC boomerang (kangaa and helrza should like that one) or even the westland whirlwind. anyhow the 262 isn't really that big a deal. so it should stay. but if the meteor is added and 262 is moved up, i think, perhaps some would stay away. sometimes it does get a little silly with so many 262's in the air. me, i think big gunned planes ruin the dogfight aspect of this game/sim. just my opinion. perhaps making the current set of aircraft in our rps more realistic would be the key. bullet
My opinion is, that we do not need the ME262, but if we want to fly them, we need a counterpart and this counterpart only can be the Meteor. I don`t agree with people, demanding more early war planes for the gold or red side. We have enough of them. The only reason for the gold side, to get more early war planes is, that it is boring to fly the Emil for a week. I do not think, that the E is not good enough to beat all red planes of it`s time. I would prefer, to take more time in optimizing the planes we have, like fixing the known bugs, making some cockpits and thinking about changing the gameplay in some details. This would imho be more usefull, than introducing new planes. Cu Flubby
Hi Glas, >Bearing the above in mind, I can guarantee that from the introduction of the 262 and Meteor, every other plane will become practically obsolete. Seriously, think about it. Would you want to fly a plane at 5-600kph when all around are whizzing past at 8-900kph? Actually, quite a few Golds stick to the propeller fighters even when the jet it out. I'm sure there are Reds that think the same, and the Meteor has less of a speed advantage anyway. For high altitude missions, propeller fighters might be the better choice anyway. By the way, conventional fighters get to 700 km/h, not just 500 - 600 km/h Regards, Henning (HoHun)
Hi Flubby, >but if we want to fly them, we need a counterpart and this counterpart only can be the Meteor. Excellent summary! And there are enough people who'd love to fly the Me 262 that the Meteor should be introduced. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
HERE HERE ... I argree 100% with this statment . Let me just say IMHO the 262 should be removed not the meteor added.. As for the introduction of early and mid war planes but not just for the golds .... When was the last time the golds lost 2 (two) of their planes for (what are we up to now ... i think 3 tods) 3(three) TODs ??? Come on guys fair suck of the sav its time to give the la5fn and the la7 back ..
RAOFL, so flying Gold for 4 years dosn't count? I was thinking of the 109E7 myself as a worthy addition. Mal
I'm not sure the MeteorIII would be competetive with the 262, although no allied combat plane would come close to it in speed, the 262 is ~85 km/h faster. Judging from the Meteor's highly unsupersonic shape, 262 probably has a higher MACH limit. On the MeteorIII's side of the argument, Gloster jet fighters has 27.5% lower wing loading (one can aussume from this that is probably turns and retains E better, no?), arguably better armament (higher rate of fire and accuracy at distance vs MK108) and 2 km higher ceiling (could be used negate 262's speed advantage, but only at high alt and only if MeteorIII's assumed lowish MACH limit permits full power diving at high alts). Also, according to Emmanuel Gustin's web site, MeteorIII has more than double the range of 262. OK maybe MeteorIII would be competetive. Can anyone compare the two birds in terms of ruggedness, climb rate and roll rate?
Hi Malino, >RAOFL, so flying Gold for 4 years dosn't count? I should have added "think a little" The demand for a Meteor is actually there, this thread proves it. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
Hi Kangaa, >Let me just say IMHO the 262 should be removed not the meteor added.. For what reason? - Realism? Then the Me 262 should be added in late 1944 with no counterweight. - Player demand? Don't pretend noone wants the jet! - Balance? The Meteor is perfect for balance ... sorry, you have no point there. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
Errr, For the Meteor: Kangaa, Hohun, Ozmale, RolandGarros indifferent/Prefer more early planes: Malino, Odisseo, Glas, Bizerk, Mach-1, dedman, babek Fix the bugs: Flubby On the Fence: Kutya, Squint (I think) Personnally I'd say this thread proves nothing about the Meteor, unless you're going on the number of posts by each person concerned in which case by the fact you outnumber our posts by about 3-1 you win. Malino
I am for Meteor, and both aircrafts to the 1944. We will see, how will players deal with availability of jets over long period of time. If that will not work and people will complain about them, it's always possible to limit both planes to the last month. Maybe make them available for longer time only every third ToD or so. both aircrafts will definitely not please Buff pilots, that is true. That could be at least little solved by making Me262 actually vulnerable (definitely more than Zeke) as it was in RL, and not able to absorb 70-100 .50" bullets without visible damage....., so the escorts can at least hope to put them out with diving and deflection shooting. Toughness of Meteor isn't issue, as with all allied planes, 30mm doesn't make a difference between light fighter, heavy fighter or buff :/
Hi Malino, >>The demand for a Meteor is actually there, this thread proves it. >Errr, >For the Meteor: Kangaa, Hohun, Ozmale, RolandGarros This is proof that there is demand for a Meteor. If you personally don't want to fly a Meteor, that doesn't change anything about our demand. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
'Would you want to fly a plane at 5-600kph when all around are whizzing past at 8-900kph?' The 'all around' part is the one I disagree... PUT 10-15 STREAK LIMIT FOR FLYING THE JETS! *and no, I didn't forget my Caps Lock on, this is proper shouting*
No, I'm saying (And it seems others share the same view) IMHO theres more important issues that need resolving before another jet is in the game. Issues like: 1. Bug Fixing. 2. Increasing the Number of Buffs in the game 3. Adding more Early/Midwar planes 4. Drinking Beer, http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,967665,00.html Mal
I welcome every planes that developers add to this game, though I'd prefer the corrected versions of the already available planes before any new additions.
I'm raising this quote again because it's really pissed me off. When was the last time you were even in the arena hohun? looking at the scorepages (showing all players) I can't even find your name listed for every ToD thats taken place this year. Malino
Hi Malino, >No, I'm saying (And it seems others share the same view) I don't think you have any veto rights here. >IMHO theres more important issues that need resolving before another jet is in the game. Then further your cause by contributing to the "more important issues" instead of telling me I can't have a Meteor. I pretty tired of people who try to tell me what I should fly and how I should fly it, and this thread is full of such crap. "Flying tediousness, foo furballer, fun of this game is in the knife fight, ruin the dogfight apect" - that all just means "Play the game my way!" Noone has any right to tell anyone how he should have to play the game. Put the Me 262 into the game because it was in the real war, and put the Meteor in because it was in the real war, too. Let the law of the jungle take care of the details - this is going to be a lot of fun for everyone with an open mind. If dogfighting suffers, too bad, but we'll see a new, exciting way of fighting when we'll pit jet against jet, and I'm looking forward to this You've got the opportunity to fly propeller fighters for most of the RPS, so let me have my opportunity to fly jet fighters for the last few months! Regards, Henning (HoHun)
